od1n
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Post by od1n on Aug 26, 2006 13:43:04 GMT -5
Hi
Is there any F5-users out there.
I've just got mine, and I simply love it. On a photo shoot today, I've carried my D1X and the F5. Just guess who where resting in the bag.
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Post by moizes on Sept 1, 2006 16:42:19 GMT -5
Hi, a year ago I did steal F5 new in the box from some e-bay guy, $700. My old trusty F4 gone, and I do know a difference! But a month ago I took D2XS, and which one is sitting in the closet now, guess what? I think I may use F5 with 17-35 to get a widest angle ever, when I need, but 70-200 VR is still on D2XS! Out of questions, F5 is the best film camera on the planet Earth, but D2XS even better, much faster! AF and metering are way better than F5 has, and so on! So, in my opinion, coz, the best time of film cameras is really gone, but film will stay with us till we buy it!
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od1n
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Post by od1n on Sept 4, 2006 12:06:58 GMT -5
So be it.
But remember, the Digital Dawn will soon be upon us. Harddrives will fail, backups will rott, and trillions of pictures will be lost forever.
Until someone finds a secure storage for digital photos, I will be taking digital for quantity, and analog for quality.
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Post by moizes on Sept 4, 2006 19:55:35 GMT -5
That's why I do copy everything on CD!
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od1n
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Post by od1n on Sept 5, 2006 9:47:32 GMT -5
Yes, that's one thing, BUT Cd's will eventually fail. DVD's even more so.
Don't get me wrong. I don't loath digital cameras, I have two D1X's, but i think that we are left out in the cold by the manufactures, by not having a reliable, longterm storage.
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Post by jeffreyklassen on Sept 5, 2006 12:12:41 GMT -5
Agreed, CD/DVD should never be trusted. Personally I dont even use them. But to say film is safer then storing data isnt always correct. There are many ways to protect data extremely well. And example would be a RAID 5 on a local computer with all your photos and a offsite server with RAID 5. In order for you to lose your data you would have to have 4 harddrives in 2 locations fail at the same time. All it takes is one fire in one place to destroy slides or negitives. It all comes down to a matter of cost though, most people cant afford that and dont even know what that is. Because of that most people are setting themselfs up to lose alot of there memorys/work. Myself I have already been there and done that, and I have RAID systems setup for daily backups now.
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od1n
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Post by od1n on Sept 5, 2006 13:02:10 GMT -5
Alright, I'll buy that. I'm extremely carefull with my backups. Pictures reside on two HD and two DVD-backups of two differents brands. One of each (HD and DVD) is not located on the same location.
EVEN SO, if I get one or two or 100 scratches on my negatives, I can still hold them up against the light and see, "ahh, this was in the summer of '85". What will happen when I get a scratch on my HD/CD/DVD?
Nice site BTW.
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Post by Larry N. Bolch on Sept 5, 2006 14:28:06 GMT -5
Jeffery
I will echo the RAID5. I picked up a Buffalo Terastation Pro NAS from London Drugs a couple of months back and named it "PEACEOFMIND". It is about the size of a shoebox and just sits there sucking up data. The backup software is very simple - you let it know where the data is, and what file formats to back-up. Anytime the computer is idle, backups take place. I only have it backing up my main content creation machine. It has a terabyte of storage, that is reduced by about 30% due to the nature of a level 5.
It can be written to directly, so I back up my mail from this machine and any arrangements I write on the music computer. For further redundancy, I keep many of the same files on this machine for convenience as well as security.
Optical media I find to be no problem Writing with current drives involves just a few seconds to select the files and get the burn going, while I get back to work. My original Kodak PhotoCDs from the early 90s are still readable, but in the years since they were made, have been rewritten to newer archival CDs and now to DVDs. Advancing files on optical media to new pieces, is so quick and simple that there is simply no excuse to worry about them. If you have a reader and a writer in the same machine, it is a matter of about one click.
There is also no excuse to get scratches on them. While they are pretty tough, keep them either in the drive or in the jewel case or envelope. Store them vertically just as one stored LPs, at room temperature and out of direct sunlight. There is no end to the variety of racks and shelves designed for safe and convenient storage. It simply should not be an issue.
The issue of "CD rot" is not an urban myth, but next door to it. In the early days of CDs, laminations were not perfect, and some did lose data. The popular press picked it up and has never forgotten even though a quarter century is upon us. Many people are convinced that the story is current.
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Post by jeffreyklassen on Sept 5, 2006 16:58:43 GMT -5
NAS is excellent for backup. I am a sys admin, and I have setup many clients with simple NAS devices for backups. I couldn't imagine backing up 200+gigs of data with cd/dvd it would just be painful.
And Thank you, od1n
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Post by Larry N. Bolch on Sept 6, 2006 14:17:33 GMT -5
If you have 200+ gigs to back up, you deserve the pain! It means that you have not been backing up as you have been creating the content. Whether shooting RAW, making movies, doing audio recording - whatever - 200+ gigs will take a whole lot of time to generate.
The ONLY strategy is to back up content as it is created. I am a quite prolific shooter, and shoot mostly RAW. Prior to the NAS, I backed up to optical media religiously. Any major shoot was backed up immediately. Otherwise a disc was burned at least once a month. The disc was filled starting with the current month's production and then back however far capacity allowed. Thus any given month would be on at least two discs and possibly three or four for redundancy. The same content was on the hard drives of two computers. With digital photos, scans, renderings and animation, original music and other multi-media stuff, I have well over 200GB of content.
Since the folders are well organized, this cost me perhaps a minute a month to do, not a big sacrifice. Even with the NAS, optical backup will continue. It just is not an issue of time as long as it goes on continuously as content is generated. I agree, I would hate to have to back up everything, starting fresh.
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Post by jeffreyklassen on Sept 6, 2006 16:35:03 GMT -5
Very true. Although I am happy knowing if I were to lose my main system I could restore my 200gigs in a matter of hours with very little work. If I had it on dvd\cd I would be inclined to just leave it on them, which defeats the purpose of having the backups.
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Post by moizes on Sept 10, 2006 2:37:06 GMT -5
OK, OK, I did buy 250 gigs hd for extra support, just stop rebuke me so harshly! (The BOSS didn't see, thing is so small!). So let me format it - BTW, what is better - FAT32 or newest system? Thank you!
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Post by jeffreyklassen on Sept 11, 2006 13:00:47 GMT -5
Format it NTFS if it is for a windows box. Do not use Fat32 it is very old. Even NTFS is a old file system by todays standards but its all windows has now that MS gave up on WinFS.
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denis
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Post by denis on Oct 12, 2006 15:21:22 GMT -5
Yes, I have an F5. Finally got it about a year and a half ago. Great camera!
Denis
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Post by evegir on Oct 12, 2006 23:55:53 GMT -5
Love my F5's - best 35mm film camera ever.
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